I would like to think he would not have killed her. Ahsoka was Vader's hope at overthrowing the Emperor. Then, of course, like I said above, his first time seeing Ahsoka again since she left many years ago. I think if there was any conflict there - and I believe there was for a very brief moment, after her "I won't leave you" line - it completely dissipated when he resolved to kill her. Only person who could get him out of it is obviously Luke. But then of course, there’s Vader’s line immediately following: “The Emperor will show you mercy, if you tell me where the remaining Jedi can be found.”. Ultimately he knew what was going to happen and was willing to kill her. I think he was really conflicted about having to face Ahsoka and would've never fought her if he didn't have to. But falls back into Vader and the dark side. So what could have been holding him back? Vader called out to her, and she called back out to Anakin, stating that she will not leave him this time.For a moment, Vader's eyes appeared to show hesitation before finally hardening back and returning to his Vader persona, determined to push forward and kill Ahsoka. Maybe because Ahsoka never personally betrayed or lied to Anakin? Although they varied in whether the light or darkness in Anakin/Vader emerged in the end, I think the comparable results in Ahsoka's interactions with Vader that would later be seen by Luke's would say something about who Ahsoka was to Vader even as a Sith Lord. He felt like his fellow Jedi were betraying him, but Ahsoka wasn't a part of that. Recently, she was seen in her live-action debut on Season 2 of The Mandalorian as a mature and skilled master of the Force. An important factor of Vader's character is that at this point, the only person who should be able to bring him back from the dark side is Luke - not Ahsoka, not Obi-Wan. Anger towards himself because he knows she's right. Press J to jump to the feed. Rebels Season 2 (Finale Episode): Upon reaching the top of the temple while standing on top of his TIE fighter, his lightsaber is already drawn and ignited when seeing Ezra. The Emperor will show you mercy, if you tell me where the remaining Jedi can be found. None of them had any mastery of the mystical aspects. He had his lightsaber drawn to kill Ezra. The former Jedi had to go underground after Order 66 happened. He also seems conflicted. She was the apprentice to Anakin Skywalker and held attachment to him. Even as a Sith Lord, Vader still loved Padmé very much, but felt great guilt for his actions against her. Do you really think if she fell she would be Vader's apprentice. ...actually, i think this idea of mercy was exemplified in an earlier issue of Vader but i can’t cite it. No sadness, no confusion, he as Vader knew exactly who she was and it no doubt enraged him beyond belief to be referred to as if he were still Anakin. But most importantly, she was powerful- largely because of Anakin- becoming the youngest Jedi Knight in history (that we know of). Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. To Vader, Ashoka was family. She is so dead! He just wants to kill him. By entering in season 7, the fans knew Palpatine wins in the end, the birth of Darth Vader and the galactic empire overthrow the Senate of the Republic. Someone her could turn? Vader's mind: this bitch just ruined my favorite helmet. So while Vader might have wanted to get rid of anything that tied himself to his old, weak self -- including his old padawan and friend -- Anakin never grew to hate her. Especially if she stood in his way like Obi-Wan did. I think he might have had a flashback about his past and the moments he had with her. Sith-a-phus lives another day — we knew that he did, but seeing him do it through a storm of self-created chaos was a sight to behold. But I feel like with those two lines being right next to each other, “We need not be adversaries” and “The Emperor will show you mercy...” it seems to me like they could be seen as polar opposites of what Vader’s intentions with Ahsoka truly could have been. Ahsoka Tano's journey through Star Wars has been interesting, to say the least. Or was it always his personal intention to kill her regardless? The shoto looked like a smaller, less-detailed version of the other lightsaber. In his eyes, she was not only innocent of the crimes of the Jedi but an example he soon followed. But she still wasn't enough. But then it was stamped down. At least, until now. But the rank and file were only trained in the physical force arts. He’s planning to kill him before being stopped by Ahsoka. EK Johnston’s novel Ahsoka explains the switch from blue to white. Does he truly want to fight her, or does he not? But the interesting thing is, from what I understand (I haven't finished TCW yet, but I totally cheated and watched the scene in Rebels -- so correct me if I'm wrong) Ahsoka never did anything that Anakin/Vader might construe as "wronging" him... besides leaving. The appearance of Ahsoka may have created some cracks and uncertainty in his loyalty, but it was never going to break it or turn him from the dark, only his child could do that. Anakin had convinced himself that there was nobody left that still loved him. She’s also in Star Wars Rebels and appears as one of the Jedi voices that encourage Rey to give Palpatine a good smack in The Rise of Skywalker. I feel as though Vader was truly looking to fulfill his role in the Rule of Two for most of the OT until Luke showed faith in him in ROTJ. He was in denial about the whole situation. Cool post. Yes, the long awaited/dreaded showdown between Ahsoka and Darth Vader, a.k.a. From a subjective standpoint, it was a killer scene, just out of place based on what else we saw in that same era. I imagine the dark side being like a highly addictive drug and hard to pull away from. He and Luke destroy the Emperor. It’s worth mentioning that in the Star Wars Rebels Season 2 finale, an older Ahsoka battles Darth Vader in a Sith Temple. Was it sadness, confusion, why did he hesitate? One of the longest-running mysteries of Star Wars Rebels was of what happened to Ahsoka Tano in the Season 2 finale after she faced off against Darth Vader. But was Ahsoka truly different? Needless to say, Ahsoka is a major character in Anakin Skywalker’s life because she was his former Padawan before he turned to the Dark Side. Ashoka was not his usual Jedi prey. She held her own without any Darksiders power boost. Both sabers contained kyber crystals from the sacred planet of Ilum, with the primary lightsaber having a green blade and the shoto's blade being yellow-green. Why Ahsoka Tano Is the Best Thing to Happen to Star Wars in 20 Years. In his mind, if he worked Luke enough, he would finally be swayed to the Dark side. The dark side wins in the end, it doesn’t help Maul or Ahsoka. That actually happens during the Darth Vader comic. The Grand Inquisitor however was a fallen Jedi who had joined with the Vader to hunt his former comrades. But with Ashoka? When Vader's voice modulator started malfunctioning and Anakin's voice came through calling out Ahsoka's name and Ahsoka told him "I won't leave you, not this time" Anakin's partial facial expression appeared as if he was feeling sadness and remorse, … On The Mandalorian season 2 … Despite his love for his wife, Padmé's life and their children was one of the main reasons Anakin had become the ruthless Sith Lord Darth Vader in the first place. It might've just been a ploy trying to get her to help him over throw the Emporer. Probably. Vader hated Ahsoka because to him, she was representative of the failures of Anakin Skywalker, and a crucial link towards him destroying any remnants of his Jedi past. It echoes the way he addresses her by name in Rebels ’ “Twilight of … One thing that’s been on my mind for years now since the Season 2 finale, is Vader’s initial reaction when seeing Ahsoka again for the first time in 15+ years. But for a few seconds, there was Ahsoka. Perhaps he never really blamed her the way he would end up blaming Obi-Wan or the rest of the Jedi? Someone to take on the emperor with? Compare that to Vader’s other confrontations with Jedi and it’s crystal clear when he does or doesn’t want to kill them: Episode 4: Vader’s standing in the hallway of the Death Star with his lightsaber already on, before Obi-Wan has even fully come around the corner to see him. Would Anakin have killed Ahsoka in ROTS if he thought he needed to for Padme? One being he may lose. She’s standing there, lightsaber hilts in both hands, and what’s the first thing he does? So he keeps his lightsaber sheathed while he is talking. He only ignites his lightsaber after Luke ignites his. She was the closest thing to turning him until Luke. This. He felt like his fellow Jedi were betraying him, but Ahsoka wasn't a part of that. An 'Ahsoka' … Ahsoka eventually reunites with Anakain during the show’s second season, where she learns that he has become Darth Vader. Rosario Dawson was announced as the star of 'Ahsoka,' part of a 10-show 'Star Wars' expansion announced by Disney on Thursday. However, that wasn't the case. There might have been a flash of him remembering himself as Anakin and his love for her. But that doesn't matter. I just saw the s2 finale for the 20th time by now. But before that, she was a young Jedi betrayed by one of her closest friends in the Order —and it wasn't Anakin Skywalker. He must have realized that the Emporer would not have taken kindly to him being reunited with Anakin Skywalker's old apprentice. We need not be adversaries. Maul, by contrast, has no problem killing every Clone in sight like he's Vader at the end of Rogue One. You can’t keep a persistent Sith down. Luke's rejection of him in ESB disillusions him further and he's mostly going through the motions at that point because he can no longer imagine a realistic happy ending for himself which is where the almost depressed sounding "it's too late for me" comes from when meeting Luke again on the surface of endor. Not that she was going to be released. She was not a Jedi. You're right about Luke on Bespin. What do you believe? He toyed with Luke. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Early on, he was not as consumed by pain an anger, so I guess he would still want to keep her prisoner 'for her own safety' and later conversion. I think he was really conflicted about having to face Ahsoka and would've never fought her if he didn't have to. By comparison to those moments listed above, in his scene with Ahsoka when he turns his lightsaber off, it seems a lot less clear as to his intentions. A bird flies by. Until Luke reminded him he was still capable of redemption, his goal was to eventually usurp Palpatine. Introduced as the Jedi Padawan of Anakin Skywalker, who later becomes Sith Lord Darth Vader, she is a protagonist of the 2008 animated film Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the subsequent television series.Ahsoka reappears in Star Wars Rebels, where she uses the codename Fulcrum, and as a voiceover cameo in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. It is a bit contradictive to what he says in the blu ray. The character made her live-action debut in Season 2 of The Mandalorian and was a big help … Not everyone gets the "we need not be adversaries" treatment, especially when they've been aiding and abetting rogue Jedi and the Alliance. He didn’t want to fight Ahsoka. Ahsoka Tano is gone. To me, the first time I heard it, I really believed Vader was being somewhat genuine. She saw their treachery before Vader. I also don't think he was trying to turn Ahsoka to the dark side either.. She was always very strong willed even though she did leave the Jedi Order. Just a blatant lie. Star Wars is an American epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the eponymous 1977 movie. Vader had been waiting for this day for a long time. Perhaps be able to resurrect his wife. Thing is, I see some parallels between Vader's interactions with Luke and Ahsoka. Rebels Season 2 (early): Vader’s first duel with Kanan and Ezra, he walks into frame, first thing he does is ignite his lightsaber. I think he wanted her to live but was still willing to kill. It's a good guess that this last Vader scene is maybe a year or two after Ahsoka dropped her saber, and Vader has come to the planet to specifically track down Ahsoka… And see the sides of Maul and Ahsoka really put into perspective the decision that the Dark Side had on the situation. I think the mercy he's referring the Emperor would afford her is in the form of a quick death. The Inquisitors were Vader's chosen jedi hunters. Ahsoka Tano might be the most beloved Star Wars character in the series to never appear in live-action. Ashoka Tano | Source: IMDb The last time fans saw Ahsoka was when she was in face-off against her former Master Anakin Skywalker — now Darth Vader. I knew that she wasn't going to die in the series finale of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, as she goes on to appear in Star Wars Rebels and is likely set for more Star Wars adventures. There’s a split second where he doubts it. In my head I imagine a small inner battle between Anakin and Vader at which Vader prevails. I think it's possible Vader is still disillusioned by Palpatine then, so maybe the mercy line wasn't a blatant lie. No intention of killing him. When the lightsabers were returned to Tano prior to the Siege of Mandalo… Snips and Skyguy, is here. Was he maybe just experiencing some brief conflict with himself? Ahsoka Tano made her debut in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film, and later reappeared in the animated series of the same name. I honestly did not want that jarring disconnect where he loses a lot of essential skills practically overnight. I don't think Vader ever had any intentions of killing Ahsoka otherwise he wouldn't have deactivated the lightsaber in the first place. If he were to turn away he’d had have to really look at his own actions with a critical eye. We also know Ahsoka Tano will see Anakin Skywalker for the first time in his new, more machine-like state. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Sith Ahsoka would wipe the floor with Vader and he'd still be stick as an apprentice. Darth Vader was one of the most powerful Force-users in the galaxy's history, and it is only right that his apprentices were immensely strong too. It seems more clear from that line that perhaps Vader was trying to deceive Ahsoka into trusting him with information about remaining Jedi, then he’d betray her and kill her. But also, was she like Luke to him? Onscreen, Ahsoka has only shown interest in one (boring) guy, but I relished that YA novelist E.K. I think that's what makes his redemption so impactful. If she joined him they could easily overthrow the emperor. The end. He obviously doesn’t have those same kinds of conflicted feelings against Kenobi. When they parted he wasn't angry at her like Obi-Wan or even Padme -- he still loved her. Was he trying to deceive her before killing her, like with turning his lightsaber off to try to make her believe he did not want to fight her? For a myriad of reasons. Some time later, Darth Vader — now more machine than man, dressed in the full black suit — steps across the snow-covered ground of the grave site. She's not dead, but she's gone. Star Wars is an American epic space opera franchise, created by George Lucas and centered around a film series that began with the eponymous 1977 movie. Hence his bargaining and trying to convince himself that Ahsoka could turn or even be able to walk away from the situation. Given time this relationship could have evolved into apprenticeship. Something once again out of his control. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. He stares at the sky. The Emperor would never let Ahsoka live. The primary lightsaber was a single-bladed weapon with a cylindrical silver hilt with black ornamentation. I've already proved that Ahsoka had a Style advantage against Vader which was why she lasted as long as she did, and still was getting owned and wrecked by Vader who can dominate her with the force. And at the same time perhaps anything but death would be considered mercy to both Palps and Vader; left to die, enslaved, etc. After her husband became Vader, Padmé w… Unfortunately Vader took control again. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I was comfortable assuming that Ahsoka damaged him … He finds the lightsaber and recognizes it as the weapon of his former apprentice, Ahsoka Tano. He doesn’t say … It's difficult to say. Immense anger and hatred. Ahsoka held her ground, and just as Vader was about to deliver a killing blow, Ezra pulled Ahsoka through a portal. He wanted Luke alive. Oh and one more question. Ezra, Kanan, and Ahsoka will visit Malachor, and there, Ezra will encounter Darth Maul. But in the end the dark side is too strong and he "remembers" why he s Darth Vander and not Anakin anymore. Related: The Mandalorian Season 2, Episode 5 Cast & Cameos Guide Since Ahsoka was name-dropped in The Mandalorian season 2, episode 3 titled "Chapter 11: The Heiress," there was an expectation that she would be the key in resolving Din's mission as the temporary caretaker of Baby Yoda. Did he really not want to confront Ahsoka until he was forced to? But unlike Obi, she was wise enough to see the corruption of the Jedi and left the order. His anguish fuels him with the dark side. In Twilight of the Apprentice, Ahsoka's surprise attack slashed open Vader's mask. I think he genuinely didn't want to fight. Vader is the broken and twisted shell of Anakin, but he's still the same person. To me there’s definitely no subtext of any sort in that line. Ahsoka Tano is getting her own series on Disney+. Even then, Vader could have killed him at any point of the fight. Perhaps because she had left the Order she could maybe be more easily turned to the Dark Side? When they parted he wasn't angry at her like Obi-Wan or even Padme -- he still loved her. It’s such an interesting thought. And yet upon seeing her he deactivates his weapon. Immediately after turning off his saber, he attempts to sway Ahsoka over to the Dark Side and to join him & the Emperor. As a result, she had to tangle with Darth Vader’s Inquisitors. As we had seen in the Darth Vader comic, over the 20 years since Order 66, Vader had grown complacent in his position as Sith Lord. I've always liked the idea that Vader is pretty much totally loyal to the emperor until he discovers the existence of his son, and as a side-effect the lies of Palpatine, and at that moment decides he's going to scheme to take power himself. At that point he would have hoped she would 'open her eyes' and join him. The point is: If Ahsoka had more time to consider Anakin’s darker tendencies, and maybe if she even remembered what happened on Mortis in The Clone Wars season 3 … Would've Anakin killed ahsoka if she was present at the temple during revenge of the Sith? He was no good to him dead. Ahsoka Tano is a character in the Star Wars franchise. Heavy spoilers ahead. He didn't yearn to overthrow his master as he knew he could never achieve the power to do so alone, and all the force sensitves known were either surviving Jedi, or comparatively weak like the Inquisitors. Ahsoka did reveal Grogu's history of being a Jedi foundling in … Knowing things like that would soothe a … Both sabers were capable of being wielded underwater, as demonstrated during the Battle of Mon Cala. After she cuts his mask, he says her name and she says she won't leave him, he looks pretty shaken up by it until he reverts back to being Vader. He makes his escape — living to cameo in Solo: A Star Wars Story and then also show up on Star Wars Rebels. And then of course, what’s always resonated in my head when I think about that scene, is Vader’s line: “We need not be adversaries.”. Vader is merely interested in testing the abilities of Luke, seeing what he does or doesn’t know. Surely he could have felt the urge to kill her because she left the Order, left him. Luke makes the first move. Darth Vader taking the saber represents Anakin’s love for his first spiritual child, Ahsoka. Johnson's "Ahsoka" indicated a female character's one-sided crush on Ahsoka… I prefer to think that it did still affect him on a deeply subconscious level, as a distant niggling feeling far, far in the back of his mind that might have stuck around -- and then magnified for Luke. Initially he saw Luke as a chance to gain an apprentice of his own, but soon was overcome by a father's love. It’s so out of character for him but in an interesting way, because he’s dealing with a part of his past that gives him conflicting feelings. The end of the season finale of Star Wars Rebels clearly showed us Ahsoka Tano walking back into the Sith Temple after her battle with Darth Vader. We know what happens when the former Jedi Master and Padawan meet again nearly 20 years in the future as Darth Vader, Sith Lord and Ahsoka Tano, Rebel agent. Vader hated Ahsoka because to him, she was representative of the failures of Anakin Skywalker, and a crucial link towards him destroying any remnants of his Jedi past. I think he only hesitated because he was taken aback at Ahsoka's unwillingness to leave him. Would he really not have made the first move if he believed she could be reasoned with? Vader believed with her at his side again, he could conquer the Emperor and take control of the dark side. In all other cases he should be completely evil. So while Vader might have wanted to get rid of anything that tied himself to his old, weak self -- including his old padawan and friend -- Anakin never grew to hate her. When she says "I won't leave you not this time" they stare at each other for a few seconds and then he says "then you will die" you can see his eye make some type of expression before getting angry and saying that line. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 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