Like I always say – for me personally, it’s hard to separate the fact that I’m riding indoors from outdoors. The power adapter/cord is 120/240v, so you can use it anywhere in the world if you happen to travel with it. I’m using Zwift on my iPad but wondered if I could also connect it to a Garmin watch (F245) to make use of the body / training load metrics? Also, it’s more powerful. You can click here to Subscribe without commenting. This doesn’t take more than 2-3 minutes, depending on your current leg attachment skill proficiency level. A lockring tool (or lockring + a wrench, in my case), and a chain whip. Super easy. As you probably know, apps like Zwift, TrainerRoad, SufferFest, Rouvy, Kinomap and many more all support most of these industry standards, making it easy to use whatever app you’d like. Quick question – I’m used to wheel-on trainers. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Could someone check what power supply the Zumo needs? Wahoo KICKR Indoor Training Smart Bike . Looking for the equipment I use day to day? The Quarq and Elite Zumo agree fairly closely here, though the Elite Zumo is reading what I believe to be a bit high. Thanks for all the feedback guys, missed the Snap black Friday deal whilst messing around asking for opinions so looks like its the zumo for me! Not too shabby: So where do we stand? I’ve added the Elite Zumo into the product comparison database, where you can compare it to any trainer that I’ve reviewed or have in the DCR Cave. It’s going to measure how long it takes to coast to a stop. I have tried different difficulty levels in Zwift with no luck. thanks for your interest in our products. The Zumo follows the same app compatibility standards as previous Elite products, and essentially follows the industry norms as you’d expect from a high-end trainer. I am always up for saving a few liras…oops we don’t use liras anymore. The plastic rubs the flywheel for me also. Here's the thing, some people like front wheel blocks, some don't. Due to the expected “lockdown” I took it back and replaced it. At first as I was a bit annoyed, but now that I circled with CT and got some details. Pair your Zumo trainer to Elemnt Bolt using ANT+. And again, don’t forget you can make your own charts in the product comparison tables here. I recently carried out a TrainerRoad ramp test using the Zumo’s built in power and found myself really struggling to hold 400 W (for reference, when in race shape, I can hold this power for 20 minutes on the road). by goodhand_gibbon » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:46 am 1 Replies 849 Views Last post by Elite … It generally doesn’t matter, except sometimes you’ll find some of the lower-end cassettes (like a Shimano 105) don’t quite sound as quiet as mid to higher-end ones. And then there’s the Elite Upgrado app, which allows you to do firmware updates, with the Zumo one of the units that’s supported today: It’s great that Elite finally has a smartphone app for firmware updates (it was just rolled out last month). Dear Dave, Wattage is not hard-set, only incline levels. I typically do that with my 30×30 test via TrainerRoad, though it doesn’t really matter what method you use as long as you’re looking at big shifts in wattage: Note above the super hard to read green-line was actually the target, not the blue line. Think my written reviews are deep? In other words, it may have been stable, but was it actually accurate. If you’ve never ridden a trainer before (or a higher-end trainer), you’ll probably think it’s perfectly fine. I own a Cube Hybrid MTB (2017 model) and the setup was straight forward. I take things to a whole new level of interactive depth! I haven’t been able to find any further information online. £649.99. Grazie. No cost to you, easy as pie! In any case, as they say on Shark Tank, for these reasons, I’m out. As far as calibration goes, you can complete it easily from most apps – including TrainerRoad and Zwift. What would be your recommendation? Brill thanks. Peter. The cadence lag is especially noticeable in Power Meter Link mode. One of these days I’ll put my other extra Quarq back on this backup bike. Still, there were a few other blips I’ve highlighted in yellow (the others you see appear to be more drop-related and seem to impact everyone, likely due to some transient WiFi interference). I’ve just set up my Zumo. I am looking to get a direct drive to replace my old wheel on and getting the chain whip is an added (while not great) cost i am fine adding. The inertia isn’t quite there. Elite Qubo Digital Smart B+ set up and ride impressions To use the Qubo, you just clamp your rear axle in and — after plugging in the trainer and pairing it to your favorite app — start pedaling. Thanks Craig. I am using a short cage but it would have to be a massive difference to affect things! That’s good to know, I was going to go and sort one tomorrow but both bikes I was going to use have medium cage. I've been using it as my main trainer desk for a long time now and love it. Peter. Peter. Elite Suito Interactive Smart Trainer. However, cadence needs some work. Then, I come here and write about my adventures. In the above, you’ll note there’s cadence data baked into the various streams. Anyone else had a similar issue and got to a fix? Something to keep in mind, the cassette included with the Suito isn’t necessarily added value for everyone. Ray, is there likely to be a full review on the Suito soon or are production issues still plaguing it. I am experiencing the exact same issues as Kevin with my new Zumo trainer. In any case, with a cassette, you’ll need two tools. Finally, this test unit is a media loaner. Looks like Styrofoam blocks on top and bottom. Ultimately, for the money it’s not a bad option at all. My bike is a quick release equipped 2020 Trek Emonda SL5. Peter. If it were Drivo 2, I’d say yeah. With wheel-on trainers you need to ensure the tire pressure either remains the same, or you need to calibrate it on every ride after 10-15 mins. I suspect longer-term the Suito will eventually gobble it up price-wise. And the same is true for even just regular Zwift riding or most events. positive pole inside. I personally like riding with a front wheel block just to keep my handlebars pointed forward all the time (even on higher-end trainers that supposedly don’t require one). And actually, doing better than some of the higher-end trainers I’ve tested this fall of 2019. This is a Shimano 105 cassette (thus, slightly more budget compared to the Ultegra), in most cases, you probably won't notice the difference. Thanks Now given the Zumo is a smart trainer, it’ll change resistance automatically in a few different ways, primarily driven by different applications/methods. I have had the Kickr Snap for 4 years it has never let me down, It works great with Zwift, TR and Sufferfest, I’m waiting on my Saris H3 to be delivered I did consider the Zumo but I thought it wouldn’t be an upgrade to the Snap more of a sideways step, The Snap is a solid unit the Zumo to me looks cheaply made, If I were you I would go with the Snap because you had an issue with the Zumo you would need to send it back to the UK. I've had this for years, and use it in places where I don't have a big screen or desk, but just an iPad or tablet on my road bike bars. I like seeing more affordable options, even if they do have small caveats. As for adapters, I’m using regular quick release with the 5mm space inside the drop out. Zumo undercuts that by quite a bit. If my question is too broad then i apologise. But you’ll see plenty of photos of that throughout this post (plus the ones already above), so let’s get right into setup. Grazie. It would have got 5 stars as the only criticism I have is the lack of clear calibration instructions, Good smart trainer from Yesitsme07 September 9, 2020 Easy setup Portable/storable Quiet Budget-friendly, Not ideal for Zwift from Dixy SA1 September 8, 2020 Works fine on other platforms but not Zwift Sorry to disappoint. ELITE: This might not be exactly the answer you were looking for but FYI Zumo has a feature called PML (Power Meter Link) which allows your power meter to be the power source. Reminds me a lot of the Saris H3 box. In principle, no, it is not needed. I’ll add in a quick video. This is a Ultegra cassette, you can save about $10-$15 by picking up a Shimano 105 instead. ELITE: With Zumo you get 12 months free to our myETraining app that includes training programs, RLV (Real Live Video) courses, and access to Pedal Analysis (one time in-app purchase). Thanks for your support. Cadence lag – When in erg mode, there is a slight delay between the turbo’s resistance and the onscreen power target. Do I need to use a Campy freehub especially designed for the Elite trainer? – Must be entered “0.166” (watch out: it’s 0.166, not 0,166) in the Elemnt app (it will not accept values with a comma, only period). Check out the Elite Upgrado app to ensure you’re all good to go! With that – hope you found this useful! ELITE: I think the issue is down to the derailleur cage length, 6870 di2 comes in two lengths, SS GS. . I did it then because initially things looked fine, but as I got to around the 20ish minute mark I noticed the Zumo was a bit out of alignment. That’s certainly a good deal, with the Suito and Diretto both at £550 in Halfords at the moment it’s a good value proposition. Is there any way of telling the newer models from the old ‘buggy’ ones? I could also go lower of course ( tacx flow for 100€ ) but i think i will quickly get annoyed by the noise, poor road feel and lack of accuracy. Can you please ask Andrea with customer service to also contact me regarding the fix to this issue? Please could you send a photo to myetraining@elite-it.com with your situation and we’ll have the team look at it. 4 comments to “Elite Muin Smart B+ Trainer Review” Jody. It’s a nice break from the day to day sports-tech talk, and I hope you get something out of it! This reaction time and accuracy are both tested here. occasionally the machine will lose connection to Zwift and need a powercycle, but a replacement board from the very helpful support team should resolve the issue. If the customer has the possibility to start a training with our app myETraining (MET) via ANT+ (even just for a few seconds), MET “writes” the correct circumference (2070 or the most correct according to the customer’s bike) and everything is sorted.”. ELITE: Yesterday Elite sent me an email asking me to take the cover off and film the motor performing its BIST start-up routine – I can confirm that the motor does move through fully out then back in. Elite Novo Smart from Hugh Hass November 17, 2020 Snapped one of these up from Halfords before lockdown 2 and have been mostly happy with the trainer so far. Stages SmartBike Indoor Training Bike . As for cadence, it was actually better here. Purchased the Elite Zumo a month ago for £380. Can’t find mine anywhere, ELITE: HOMCOM Indoor Bicycle Trainer Workout Stand Steel Frame 8 Level Magnetic Resistance Home Exercise Training for 650C, 700C or 26"-29" Bike 3.9 out of 5 stars 44 £129.99 £ 129. Oh, and free US shipping too! Thank you. If you do not already own a power meter, and have no intentions on buying one, I would advise going for a more accurate turbo trainer. In general, you should calibrate every once in a while (perhaps every few weeks), or anytime you’ve moved the trainer some distance (like to a new home/etc…). Again, that’s fine – that’s why Vector 3 is there anyway. Really takes indoor training up a level. Hi SpiderJ, we ship out Zumo trainers to Halfords on a regular basis. Delayed yes, but not horrifically so. Buy now at 36% off. There probably isn’t a solution for this, other than not using the lowest gear. Elite calls the KURA a fluid-technology home trainer with direct measurement of power transmission and resistance. Built in the northern heartlands of Italy near Venice, the Novo is crafted with the high-quality standards that are indicative of Elite’s products. I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. One of the most popular trainer fans out there, rivaling the Wahoo Headwind fan in strength but at a fraction of the price. Add to Basket. Hardly a deal-breaker of course – that’s why they invented extension cords. $549.99. it’s rather easy. Like I said above, I think this actually makes sense. I'm one of the ones that do. The first time I tried in TR it started setting weird power levels immediately afterwards but seemed to reset when I closed the app. Here you can see the Zumo is slightly delayed compared to the Quarq & PowerTap P2 pedals – and also quite a bit lower (in green). Thank you. I feel guilty buying everything else online where i can get a good deal, but still want to support them where i can. And while that might not sound like a lot of money, it actually is from a production/margin standpoint. Peter, Buongiorno Peter. Make sure it’s not set at 0%. I’m using a Zumo with a separate power meter and wondering about calibration. The actual testing pieces are all done for me. First, you’ll need to attach the three legs. I calibrated successfully on the Eilte app but don’t know if the resistance will work properly on Zwift if I can’t calibrate in the app. In that case, the company claims up to 1,150w of resistance at 40KPH. The derailleur hits against the flywheel body. Also, how much does it cost? Built in the northern heartlands of Italy near Venice, the Novo is crafted with the high-quality standards that are indicative of Elite’s products. Glad to hear about the thru-axle adapters though I really just want to give you my money! Which smart trainers are packaged eco-friendly besides Saris and 4iiii? My only additional expense was a slick tyre to reduce the noise. In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? ELITE: We confirm that Zumo is compatible with most bikes on the market regardless the type of rear hub (adaptors available ie Boost 148x12mm or 135×10/12mm and freehubs ie Campag and Sram XD/XDR) and derailleur cage size (short/medium/long including MTB). Are your posts getting snarkier? Reply. Commerce content is independent of editorial, and Farrelly Atkinson earns commission from promoted products. occasionally the machine will lose connection to Zwift and need a powercycle, but a replacement board from the very helpful support team should resolve the issue. From this test, my max 1 minute power according to the pedals was 476 W whilst the Zumo recorded 413 W. I am confident in my Favero Assioma pedals, and have compared them in the past to other power meters. $4,999.00. . Elite Turbo Trainers - Lowest Prices and Free shipping available from the worlds largest online bike store - Chain Reaction Cycles One thing to note with the Snap I do have a extra rear wheel with a turbo tyre fitted so as not to use my good rear wheel/tyre this could be an extra cost that you would need to consider. In other words, it’s within spec. So if you have some imbalance you may well be stronger with your right leg. Has anyone else had this problem, and is there an easy fix? Between all these standards you can basically connect to anything and everything you’d ever want to. This means you can pair the trainer and get power/cadence/control, while also pairing up a heart rate strap. I can now ride in the 34/28 gear at 85RPM for 200W+ (for context I would usually use this gear and wattage to ride easily up at 15% incline). Experiencing the same problem. Elite Direto Smart Trainer Review | Zwift Gear Test In the pantheon on smart trainers, there have been thousands of words and discussions about which is “the best” smart trainer. ELITE: We confirm that Zumo is compatible with most bikes on the market regardless the type of rear hub (adaptors available ie Boost 148x12mm or 135×10/12mm and freehubs ie Campag and Sram XD/XDR) and derailleur cage size (short/medium/long including MTB). Looking at ZwiftPower’s analysis (and going by the general ‘feel’) the Zumo seems to ignore power fluctuations; it’s like the peaks have all been cut off: I’ve stepped through everything with Elite’s support team, but they seem to think everything is within the allowable variations… despite being robbed of 30w! I basically have up to 450€ and want the best trainer i can get for this. As part of Halfords’ exclusive Elite turbo trainer range, every unit is quality checked before leaving the factory. You'll likely only use this tool once every 2-3 years. The Zumo transmits data on both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart, as well as allowing interactive resistance control across both ANT+ & Bluetooth Smart. There's no better bang for your buck in getting Zwift (or FulGaz/etc) on your big screen TV than Apple TV - it's the primary way I Zwift. As someone who’s firmly entrenched in the Clydesdale category and about to upgrade to my first direct drive smart trainer (leaning towards the H3), this is a topic I’m curious about. ELITE: Ciao Ernesto, the Campagnolo compatible freehub body we use on our direct drive trainers is a special version made by Miche and has bearings with hole diameter 17mm. Having moved to a flat, with no outdoors space, I was looking for a quieter trainer which wouldn’t annoy the neighbours (but on a budget). Data – The trainer seems to be relatively accurate up to 300 W. Data – Past 350 W there are large discrepancies between my Favero power pedals and the turbo’s power (see Figures). The Tacx Neo has been our benchmark smart trainer since it was launched in 2015, topping T3’s round-up of the best turbo trainers last year. The Zumo claims +/- 3% So for that we’ll compare it against the Quarq DZero and PowerTap P2 pedals. What are your least favorite countries/places? Very soon. – Wheel circumference = 2070 mm, so 2070 / 12.48 = 165.86 What do you think? Why would anyone drop $699 + cassette for a trainer less capable than one from the same manufacturer that performs better at $799 – with the cassette? Using this solution the speed calculation seems to be more accurate and it’s possible to ride in Zwift again! However it does work on erg mode, Ray, not sure what your criteria is for the ‘Availability’ section of the comparison, but it’s also available in the UK (at an amazing price, too!). The original Drivo 1 is also at £589 so all very close. This site contains affiliate links to Amazon, Wahoo, and other brands. It even on the Elite site, plus with shipping from London plus the exchange rate its no cheaper really. Sure enough, it’s new. The trainer is a direct drive fluid trainer that isn’t electronically controlled. Halfords is usually pretty good on this stuff, but it would be great to have it available at more than just one retailer. I’m unable to shift in to the lowest gear on the cassette. Want to compare the features of each product, down to the nitty-gritty? I spoke with out CS … here is what they tell me … B) Ensure you’re using the small ring up front: This is for ERG mode specifically, shift into the small ring to get better control. It is a little pricey, but then again any Campy-related is going to be pricey. Decisions, decisions . I bought them for my Fulcrum Racing Zero wheels and they are just sitting around. Easy setup Well-built Portable/storable Budget-friendly. But nearly a year after I first wrote about it, it’s finally unlocked the ‘Happy Clam’ achievement level. Elite’s Suito Smart Trainer has good specs, a great ride feel, a cassette included and a very sensible price. I have a winter and a summer bike and have the winter bike on the trainer in the summer and vise-versa. Last but not least, we wish to make clear Zumo is a current model offered to selected partners around the world. The Zumo doesn’t come with a front wheel block, but you can find one on Amazon for $5-$10. While I freely admit that I’m not the most technically minded person, I do feel that the manual could have been clearer. Peter. volume. Ray, are you able to confirm what you tested with? We are manufacturing with pride Zumo trainers as we speak here in Italy together with our other models like Drivo II, Direto X, Suito, etc. cobblestones), Support rolldown procedure (for wheel based), Supports ANT+ FE-C (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Bluetooth Smart FTMS (Trainer Control Standard), Supports Multiple Concurrent Bluetooth connections. It happens at 1:20AM. I don’t understand the market positioning of this trainer. This has repercussions in both ERG and simulation mode with an incorrect resistance (due to the incorrect speed). But Drivo 1 less so. I will take a look at that. Sure, they're not as powerful as a Wahoo Headwind, but I could literally buy 20 of them for the same price. I meant to write freehub bodies, sorry it is late. Finally, let’s look at a regular Zwift ride, this one in SIM mode through Titans Grove, which has become my 2019 trainer testing grounds. 11-speed, 10-speed, 9-speed, etc...). It shouldn’t be higher than the Quarq, but given the +/-3 %, if we look at 3% on 400w, we’re basically talking a +/- 12w variance (in addition to variance of the Quarq too). Good entry level trainer My guess is N-1, where each time someone buys a new direct drive trainer, they end up buying the tools to use approximately once. Good entry level trainer. In principle, no, it is not needed. Isnt that strange that zumo is now a year older & halfords are selling it for £479! Does the Elite Zumo (or the Elite Suito) come with a freehub adapter to use a Campy cassette (or is a freehub available?). Accuracy-wise, they’re probably a wash. Peter. That’s a little bit slower than the usual 2-3 seconds or so that most higher-end trainers hit it in. As stated a month ago, we continue to ship regularly Zumo trainers to Halfords every week and will continue to do so for many weeks ahead. Of course, it’s rarely as simple as that. The description needs to be updated, it’s the same one as on the Elite site.Tks, Peter. As a result I’ve started using the Stages as my power source for Zwift and I haven’t been using ERG mode at all. In fact, two different units. I briefly had that issue, and I actually think it’s a Zwift issue, not an Elite one (assuming your issue is the same as mine). Then they say ‘oops, so it is – go talk to Elite’. You need to change the ‘Trainer Difficulty’ level to 100% in order to feel it (and most people don’t bother to). ELITE: When I went to calibrate in Zwift (specifically Zwift), it didn’t re-send a new (non-calibration) command after calibrate, so it hung out at a state that I basically has to push 400w on. In on a laptop Portable/storable Budget-friendly trainers arrive on the Suito ( )! 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