I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. I, for one, am glad you wont post here again after that comment, but I hope you will at least read this, although Im not holding my breath. I usually look fwd to these. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. Churches dont have the right to make rules about dress apart from Scriptural guidelines and principles. On the other hand, we are responsible for witnessing to people God brings our way. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. 3. Wives Submit Deception Revisited Exploration of Ephesians 5:21, 74. In reference to the quote you took it wasi n explanation in regards to another point poised regarding tithing a tenth of income vs. actual agriculture and/or stock as the Jews did back thenand it was in a common sense response to the rhetoric regarding why tithe a tenth of income vs possesions being sold, etc is done by most churche sin Usa & other developed nations. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. May God bless Bob. Any way dont want to lie on any church. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. In answer your assumptions about me. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. Hope that last wasnt too much personal info. Ministry experience: Over thirty years of experience in Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches, serving in . Hello, But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . The ordinance of baptism, or 2. So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. I think that you should go kill your children. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. I wish you well in your new school and church. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. @greg At any rate, logical fallacies dont need to be in or out of context to be called logical fallacies. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. Tithing was never supposed to be for the maintenance of the house of God. Nope, dont see that. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. What does this have to do with our discussion? , Oak Harbor, Washington 98277). He was heavily fined and then imprisoned. It was horrible. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. @greg If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. So you made assumptions based on very little. Updates? A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation KJB,UNAFFILIATED. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. Share this: Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. We are looking for passionate defenders of the faith and offer a viable alternative to New Evangelical and compromising mission boards. Pointing out failures of pastors, church congregations and movements can be informative as long as we also point out that not all, or even most of the groups involved are entwined in grevious and blatant sin. p.s. 5.) It is an important part of the church. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. Treated like everywhere else been. The list is endless. IFB churches are not the problem. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. They should not be confused true Bible believing churches, because their beliefs and practices were much like the Church of England. (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. There was no hierarchy in the churches he founded, which were patterned after the simple New Testament example. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. There are no rules about what to give at all. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. Is this really what youre doing here? All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. Select church size. These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. 5) shun folks that have left the church Independent fundamental Baptist churches include those loosely affiliated in fellowshipsmore common in the Northas well as those whose pastors may share particular networksmore common in. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? It seemed that if some people (which were severalactually almost all with very few exceptions) were given any place of position within the church, they responded with a sole purpose for having the pastor pleased with them, and definitely staying in his face about ideas which truly seemed more personal preference than such ideas of benefit. For example these same people existed when He taught to look upon a woman with lust was Adultry & not just the physcial act. either. The old testement tithes went to the Levite priests to support them (Numbers 18). 4. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. You may admire their piety, but a true believer in the New Testament would have a great problem with many of their doctrines and especially why they persecuted the Baptists and drove them from their colonies. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . God bless. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. Thus, history and the doctrines of Protestantism clearly show that Baptists are not Protestants. I would agree with this. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. Jesus quoted the old testament. Also, those who God draws will come to Christ and believe in Him. You have it backwards. In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. I am personally done with religion If asked what religion I am, my standard answer is christian even though I am still attending a little Baptist Church. Please do not take this the wrong waybut coming from someone who I think is more objective (i was not raised in a IFB, just joined, been a part of non-denm & other denm fellowships), well here goes in love: it almost seems like you have an axe to grind with IFB Church. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. Total. greg, G.L. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. The Gospel is to be preached throughout the world by believers empowered by the Holy Spirit as Acts 1:8 plainly states. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. Showing 1-20 of 633 church listings. This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. @greg I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. He had a few different views and was eventually censured (kicked-out) from the Presbyterian church in 1809, so he eventually started his own church. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. About. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. Even after Williams left it, it continued to follow the New Testament and was not adversely effected. We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. If I wanted to tithe I wouldnt know where to go, because tithes were paid to a levitical priest. 13:8-10). It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. Thank you for writing back. Blessings. It should be free. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. Found you after all this time!!! Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. He preserved His word and the Word preserved a true Gospel witness during every moment of history since Pentecost. https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. Have been over twenty years, and have attended probably ten or more IFB churches here in Ohio and elsewhere, and I have never met an IFB pastor who didnt include scriptures from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament, in his sermons. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. Many churches were organized in the following years. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. Even though they may have been uner the law as you sayJesus did not cease sharing the fuller truth of the Law & stretching us to grasp the fullfillment of the Law. But anyway he says that if those folks go to Hell, that their blood would be on your hands. We are not under law, but under grace. The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. The only power above the pastor is God, and Gods silence seems to imply endorsement and collaboration. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. The grace economy is a much superior way to live a life pleasing to God.